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Light that Spark Fire Nation. JLD here and welcome to Entrepreneurs on Fire brought to you by the HubSpot Podcast Network with great shows like Marketing Made Simple. Today, we'll be breaking down the process of Supercharging Entrepreneur Health. To drop these value bombs, I brought Dave Korsunsky into EOFire Studios. Dave is a founder and CEO of Heads Up, a digital health analytics company based in Scottsdale, Arizona. As an avid health enthusiast, Dave created heads up to make it easier for anyone to take control over their health through more effective use of their data. And today Fire Nation, we'll talk about optimizing your health. We'll talk about trackers that actually matter for your health. We'll talk about being at the top of your game physically and Dave's top five recommendations for anyone starting down the path towards peak performance and so much more.

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0 (1m 35s):
Dave, say What's up to Fire Nation and share something that you believe about becoming successful that most people disagree with.

1 (1m 44s):
Yeah, thanks for having me JLD and welcome to everyone Fire Nation. Wonderful question to start us off here. JLD I guess I'd say one of the things about being successful is that it's really important to spend a lot of time actually not working on your business because even when you're not working on your business, you are working on your business, that's when your mind calms down, you shift focus and you can start to really pick up on those subtle signals that are almost impossible to cue in on when you're really in the thick and the grind of the day. So for me, one of my secrets to success is spending a lot of time in the gym, a lot of time with family, a lot of time away from my phone, but actually what that's doing is making me more successful in what I do.

1 (2m 29s):
So I'd throw that out there. JLD is my answer on that one.

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I love it for a lot of reasons and at the top Fire Nation, I want to just break it down, Dave, he's a friend of mine, he's been to my home here in Puerto Rico. We have done a watcher fast together that's a water only fast and and you bond that way for sure. I'm also an investor and advisor in this amazing company we're talking about here today. Heads up. Fantastic stuff. And again, our focus today is supercharging Entrepreneur Health in Fire Nation. You're an entrepreneur, we're gonna supercharge your health because Dave, our body, it's an amazing but complicated being. So let's talk about some of the top health metrics that we should be paying attention to for optimal performance.

1 (3m 16s):
Fantastic and exciting question and and obviously there's a lot of the, it depends in this, but because we're speaking on the to the entrepreneurial cohort here, I'm gonna give you the the top metrics for me when I'm speaking to high performers, entrepreneurs, and this will be different for someone who's working on a health condition, but for people that are just out there kicking maximum ass, some of the top metrics that I look at and JLD, I'm sure you track all of these so feel free to chime in. But the first is heart rate variability and there's different ways to measure it. You can measure it when you wake up in the morning and you can u use a a heart rate monitor, chest strap or something that you put on your finger.

1 (3m 55s):
There's also devices that measure it while you're sleeping at night. And those are commonly the orang Garmin whoop heart rate variability is gonna give you actually ways to quantify the stress levels in your body. And it's very precisely measuring the amount of time between each heartbeat. So while you're sleeping, these devices are measuring every single heartbeat and the elapsed time between each heartbeat. And then they use statistical analysis to assess the level of stress on the central nervous system. Why does this matter? Because as high performers it's essential for us to manage our body and our mind to keep our stress levels down and our performance up.

1 (4m 38s):
So with good heart rate variability data, you can make simple changes to your daily routine and immediately get the biofeedback that it is having an improved effect on your stress levels. And as you start to look at these numbers, you'll just start to instinctively know, wow, when I do X, Y and Z, my H R V goes to this and those are the days I just crush it outta the park. And then what you start to instinctively do is engineer your lifestyle to hit these numbers because you just know how good you perform on those days. So the first one would be H R V, the second one I would throw out there JLD was inspired by you personally, so I had to put this on the list and that's fasting.

1 (5m 23s):
Yes. How much time did you spend in the last ninety one hundred and eighty three hundred sixty five days fasted, which means you have not eaten anything and your body is in a deep state of nutritional ketosis. How long?

0 (5m 38s):
25 days. I did one 10 day water fast, a second 10 day water fast and then a third five day water fast in the past year.

1 (5m 46s):
Awesome. So lots of ways to do it right? You can do the, the extended fasts like you and I have done. I actually have kind of settled into a rhythm where I like to do 72 hour fasts maybe once a quarter. Some people doesn't really matter. There's incredible apps out there just to help you get some guidance and develop a fasting regimen. And fasting is still the best tool we have for longevity, for cellular autophagy, just for overall health and wellness of the body. So that would be number two is can you, can you quantifiably say how much time you spent in a fasting

0 (6m 19s):
State? Yeah, and lemme jump in here real quick. I actually want to just really highly recommend what Dave has settled into to me like three days a quarter can be a great rhythm. I personally overdid it a little bit frankly cuz I, I just was like, man, fasting's awesome. More fasting must be fantastic. But again, fasting means you're not putting minerals, nutrients into your body for extended periods of time, which can be fantastic when used correctly but can also be overdone like everything in this world. So I've actually settled down more into a once a week, 24 hour fast. I typically do a Monday morning to Tuesday morning fast once, you know, maybe every week or two weeks. I don't do it every single week now.

0 (7m 1s):
And then I really like the idea of like, you know, every quarter I'm gonna do like a at least 48 to probably 72 hour, two to three day fast to kind of just like reset the system. But my days of 10 day water fast for now are probably over, you know, unless, you know, I just frankly let myself become fairly obese at some point in my life, which I hope doesn't happen. But then I think I'm gonna have to like go extreme again and and make that happen.

1 (7m 28s):
I'll let you know if you turn into a fat swap J ld,

0 (7m 30s):
That's why we're friends. That's

1 (7m 32s):
Why I got you back home. You know the cool thing just, just on that fasting thing and the cool thing about a lot of the consumer devices on the market is it's really easy to measure what's happening to your body while you're fasting so you can really get some data on like, okay I think I'm done, I'm gonna stop and pull back. And then you can really start to dial into, there's a million ways to set up a personal fasting protocol for you. So just like figure it out and make sure that's part of your regimen. So that's number two. Number three is vitamin D. And I wanted to put one blood test on the list because I think it's one of the simplest ones to measure you. You can just order a test kit online that gets sent to your house and it's a drop of blood from your finger.

1 (8m 12s):
So there's absolutely no reason everybody who's a high performer should not immediately know their vitamin D level and not have it in optimal range. And that also means that you're spending enough time outdoors in the sun. I use this incredible little app called D Miner and it just shows you when during the day you're gonna be able to absorb maximum vitamin D based on your latitude and longitude and what season it is. So just like making sure vitamin D is in check is gonna help with immune function hormone regulation, your your mental health state. So it's just a simple one, everybody should know it. Everybody should be above 50 nanograms per

0 (8m 50s):
Ml. Yeah and I wanna jump in here and say circadian rhythms huge for this as well. Like that's why the first, first thing I do in the morning when the sun is rising, I'm out for a three mile walk to let that sun hit me in the face for a sun rise and then I actually do an evening walk as a sun setting and that's just like a great start to my day and a great finish to my day. But then I also love that app you're talking about D miner very clever too but when is the best vitamin D that the sun's providing where you are? This can be really critical if you're in one of these northern or really, really southern hemispheres. Like if you're up in like Wisconsin, you may only have like an hour of actually quality time that that you're getting that vitamin D exactly certain times of the year. So make the most of it.

1 (9m 29s):
Absolutely. And the next one, JLD is understanding and learning how to measure your blood sugar. And everyone should do this if you haven't, but there's a number of reasons why blood sugar is important for entrepreneurs and high performers. The first is that keeping blood sugar levels under control and learning how to control blood sugar levels is gonna help you regulate your energy throughout the day. So you're not gonna be in these situations where you're eating things that are sending your blood sugar through the roof and then it's gonna come crashing down. You're not gonna be doing things that are gonna elevate your blood sugar before bed. You should actually be finished eating and digesting food several hours before going to bed.

1 (10m 11s):
Third is, there's a lot of things that would spike blood sugar for one person but not for the next person. And that's largely dependent on genetics and your microbiomes. So you can't really just go based on carb count in the labels on the package or by what the food labels say. You really have to test this stuff for yourself and figure it out. So there's a couple ways you can do that. There's continuous glucose monitors, which I'll talk more about in a second. Or you can just go to the drugstore and buy a glucometer. Just start testing your blood sugar when you wake up every morning before you have coffee, before you do anything. And just start there

0 (10m 46s):
And real quick, like what, what are some base numbers we're looking for when it comes to our glucose?

1 (10m 52s):
Yeah, excellent questions. So you, you'll start to notice things. Let's say you check it every morning for seven days as soon as you get up, okay, on Monday you're like 95 milligrams per deciliter. Okay? That's how we measure it in the us outside the US it's in millimoles per liter you can convert it. But here in the US let's say on Monday you're 95, okay? And then on Monday you have a really light day of eating. You finish your last meal by five, you did some really, really heavy exercise, you did some meditation before bed, you wake up in the morning and you're at 85. Okay, that's a 10 point difference just from some simple modifications to my day. So for me, optimal JLD when I'm not fasting is 85 milligrams per deciliter.

1 (11m 36s):
When you wake up, 85 to 90 would be optimal 80, closer to 85 being better. Above that, you're really gonna wanna start looking at, okay, what kind of lifestyle factors can I do to hack it down below 90? Once you start getting over a hundred fasting glucose, you're starting to get into that, that like pre-diabetes range, fasting glucose above one 20, I believe that's where they start getting into type two diabetes range. So for health optimization, high performers aim for 85 in the morning, engineer your diet and your exercise. Those are the two biggest levers you have. Fasting being the third lever that you have, those are the levers to keep it at 85 every day.

1 (12m 17s):
And then if you do start doing some fasting, you'll start to see your blood glucose in the morning down at 75, 60, 65. That's when you also should start testing ketones. And those are gonna start going up as glucose goes down. Basically the ketones take over as the primary fuel source in the body. And if you've never been in ketosis before, you do not have any idea how good you feel when your body is just running on jet fuel. So glucose would be definitely one to aim for and just aim for that 85 boge every single morning.

0 (12m 49s):
I love that. And I also love the question when I'm fasting, people look at me and they say, oh my god, I could never do that. I would just feel so terrible. I'd be so hungry, I'd be so grouchy, I'd be so cranky, I'd be so like tired. And I'm just like, you have no idea because all you've ever done in your life probably is a gap of like three to six hours of not eating. And so you have that little kind of hunger surge and that little, you know, better, you know, snack of slim gym, whatever that commercial is. And that Snickers commercially leads you to believe that like you always, you always have to be eating in order to feel good. The the reality is almost always the opposite. Inflammation gone.

0 (13m 29s):
You're working on that jet, that jet fuel that Dave's talking about. I mean so much key things here and I just have to shake him head and say, you just have never experienced it. And one thing I wanna really just kind of throw in here before we forget and before we move on is the very beginning Dave talked about HR v cuz a lot of my friends do have the ordering and for me, whenever I talk to 'em about it, they're always talking about not the wrong things cuz everything's right within the ordering results, but they're never talking about what their HR V is. It's like all the way at the bottom of of the chart when you're pulling it up at the end of the day or the morning. And I'm just always like, well what's your HR-V? They're like, well, oh it's like, it's like 31. And I'm like, ooh. They're like, what do you mean?

0 (14m 8s):
I'm like, well look at my mine's in the sixties and seventies like every single day they're like, what does that mean? What does r v even stand for Heart? You know, I'm like heart rate variability and then I kind of go into what Dave talked about and that is such an important factor that so few people really focus on. And I love Dave, how you started off with that. So I mean if that can be a signal that you're starting to build the right direction in that Fire Nation, you know you're doing a lot of things right. We're gonna be talking about so many important things along this line when we get back from thanking our sponsors.

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0 (17m 44s):
So Dave, every day it seems like more and more devices are flooding the market, which is in a way it's kind of a good thing because it's important that the, the focus is here on this kind of tracking and data and analytics. But what are the top devices that you like that we should be using to track our performance?

1 (18m 2s):
Yeah, this is such an exciting time for individuals who are interested in performance because the devices available to everyday people like you and I JLD are getting so good and they're getting so accurate in a lot of cases they're even better than when you're gonna get from the doctor because these companies are building the user experiences specifically for end users and they're able to gather billions of data points to do things like predictive analysis for you. So the consumer technology's getting incredible and individuals now get instant biofeedback to know if their performance hacks are working. That's incredible. You know it wasn't long ago the only way to test your performance hacks was to go to the doctor and get blood work.

1 (18m 46s):
You know, now we have a myriad of sensors we can use to get that instant biofeedback. So I'll break it down. There's a few that I would recommend in what I would call the physical recovery category, which means measure how hard I'm training my body every day, measure how well I'm sleeping and then tell me how I'm doing in terms of my overall recovery score. I personally wear the aura ring to sleep. I also wear the bile strap. They have different algorithms on there and they're both integrated with our products. So I wear both. But in terms of really good devices for recovery I would say aura, whoop, Garmin bile strap, I would put Apple watch in the mix for tracking workouts.

1 (19m 30s):
I wear my Apple Watch during the day, I love tracking my workouts on my Apple Watch. They don't do as good of a job with heart rate variability and recovery so I'd, I'd kind of bucket them as a good activity device. But for overall recovery, oral whoop Garmin seem to be the top three in that category. The next ones I would look at JLD are what are known as continuous glucose monitors. I know you're familiar with these yeah, but if you're listening you've seen people with the patch on the back of their arm on the tricep and this is just something that can measure your blood sugar every five to 10 minutes. And the benefit there is you start getting realtime biofeedback from everything you do.

1 (20m 11s):
You see how high your morning breakfast took your blood sugar, you see how high your blood sugar goes after an intense workout that is gonna help you make incredible calibrations to your diet to optimize blood glucose. Optimal blood glucose means better weight quality, better body composition, better sleep, better mood, better longevity. So continuous glucose monitors, Dexcom and Libre. Then I would put other devices for metabolic health. There's a device called a keto mojo. I like it can do glucose and ketones together. There's biosense which can measure the amount of keto bodies in your breath and it's just the way, you don't have to really draw any blood but bios, lumen and keto scan, these are devices you just blow into and they'll give you some feedback on metabolism and they just help you calibrate diet and exercise really to stay in like that fat burning, nutritional ketosis, jet fuel sweet spot.

1 (21m 8s):
So there's a few there and then jld, you get into the fun stuff and that's where you get into the biohacks where you may be able to get an infrared sauna, which is incredible. Got it. You may be able to get a cold plunge incredible. You may be able to get something that you put under your bedsheet that that cools your body while you're sleeping. So like chili pad and eight sleep, right? Like ler, these are incredible. You just take your your bed right down to like 65 degrees and you just sleep like a

0 (21m 38s):
Rock. And by the way, let me jump in here because mine actually broke about a month ago and I literally for my replacement to come in, I literally woke up every single night at like 2:00 AM like sweating, like throwing the covers off in my bed and being like ugh, I feel gross. And like my man, my aura score just plummeted over that month and it came in like last week and it was like man I felt like I really had like my first good night of sleep and a while. And it's just like crazy how like this can just help you know, your sleep, your quality, your H R V, how long you're going into deep sleep and REM and all these things with one device that again, like so many people just think that they're committed to a life of waking up at 1, 2, 3 in the morning throwing the covers off in them because it's a sweat sweatbox and then you know, trying to fall back asleep on like a wet pillow like that just doesn't have to be the case.

1 (22m 33s):
Yeah you don't have to spend money on your AC keeping the room cool. You can, you know, but you can set the temperature and and the deeper you sleep is based on how, how cold you get your body. You know that rapid induction of drop in body temperature when you get in bed is what rapidly induces deep sleep. And then when your body's just in that cold state, you're not cold physically, you have warm blankets on you but you have a a cold ambient air and body temperature and then your body is warm and that just puts you into this like incredible state of recovery and sleep. So I'd say that one is really important. You know the problem JLD is that once you realize how good you can sleep with these devices, like you said, once you don't have it you're like oh crap

0 (23m 21s):
Yeah I never wanna,

1 (23m 21s):
You know I've got, I know biohackers that keep an extra one you know and they like pre ship it to like hotels when they're going on conferences and stuff. I'm guilty of that cause like you just know how good it can be like when you have it and like, hey I'm going to this conference, I have to perform every single day, right? Like I'm shipping the dang chili pad to the hotel.

0 (23m 42s):
See and this is the kind of stuff that I love and this is why I love talking, talking to people like Dave and Fire Nation. I mean we've gone through the top health metrics we should be paying attention to, I mean H R V, vitamin D, glucose, we talked about some of the top trackers that we should be using. Some things that can really help you with your performance. Let's end with a bang Dave, I wanna talk about your top five recommendations for anyone who's starting down the path towards peak performance.

1 (24m 9s):
There's a lot to digest and I think the first thing is really to, to really just not get overwhelmed because there's so much information out there. Everybody's got a widget they're trying to sell you. So I think the first thing would be just to start slow and just learn how to maybe optimize one or two parts of your life. Maybe pick one thing we said on this show like okay I'm gonna go get the chili pad or okay cool, I'm gonna get the aura ring. I would just say start small and pick one thing and start learning about it. And I'll start measuring one variable first and then layer on from there. The second thing is I would say that one data point is worth a thousand expert opinions.

1 (24m 54s):
So you're gonna read all kinds of stuff out there. There's a million and billion one ways to to implement high performance. Everybody you ask is gonna give you a different opinion. Oh you gotta take this supplement. Oh you gotta do this. The best way to cut through the BS is with objective data from your own body. So the second tip would be use objective data as your bullshit detector and use that to calibrate if what you're doing is actually working, if your investment is paying off. So learn how to use data to validate what you're doing. That's number two. Number three would be work on your inner game. And it's very easy to spend all of our time working and working on the outer game, our physical body, our appearance, our network.

1 (25m 40s):
But how much time are you spending on your meditation cushion with your eyes closed Or how much time are you and just breathing and connecting to your inner state, your inner environment, your inner self, how much time are you spending learning how to self-regulate. So number three would be making sure you're working on your state of mind. That could be spirituality in terms of meditation, yoga, it could be ceremonial use of psychedelics, it could be organized religion. I don't really give a crap. Whatever it is that helps you connect to your inner self and you should be estimating to spend maybe a quarter to a half as much time there with your eyes closed, working on your inner inner self than you do on all of the outward stuff that we've talked about here.

0 (26m 29s):
Dave, before you move on to number four, I wanted to ask you, just because you had brought it up and it made me think, you had mentioned meditation before bed. Is there something that you specifically recommend there that's worked for you or do you recommend we just kind of Google it and kind of find a good meditation app that works for us?

1 (26m 48s):
I can give you some quick answers on that cuz I, I've spent a lot of time here. But for me there's a couple ways you can do it. One is you can just sit comfortably f the first thing you wanna do is create a space in your home where you meditate. This could be a little space in the corner of the room. You wanna dedicate a space in the home to your meditation space. I have a little corner in my bedroom and I just have a little table there and a candle and a little incense holder and a meditation cushion. But like that's where my brain knows, okay, that's where the game happens. So create a space where you're gonna do this regularly. Maybe you have some photos of loved ones, some inspirational quotes, some things you're manifesting, like create that place in your home.

1 (27m 30s):
And then for me, before bed, oftentimes I'll just put my headphones on and listen to 20 minutes of very, very soothing soft music while I'm just having my eyes closed and I'm just paying attention to the sensation of breathing in and out. And when my mind wanders off, I come back to the breath. Now for a lot of people they struggle with that cuz like, ah, my mind keeps wandering, this is boring, I don't know if I'm doing it right. You can go get guided meditations. And one thing about our mind as humans is it's actually much easier if someone guides our mind. So just like even inside the Aura app, there's like 20 guided meditations you can do.

1 (28m 10s):
So you can try it that way. So those are a couple things to do. Or you can go online on YouTube, you know, there's a trillion meditations out there you can find that you can look up. There's a guy, there's one from the founder of Mind Valley. There's a meditation that he says that will make you unequitable. And so you can just Google that on YouTube and it's all about gratitude and appreciation and expressing love. So just like go find a 10 or 20 minute meditation that works for you, the benefit is you're gonna consciously direct your nervous system to relax before bed, which means you're already getting into bed with an advantage and then your sleep is gonna be deeper and more restful.

1 (28m 52s):
So the meditation before bed is actually a sleep hack

0 (28m 55s):
Fire Nation. That right there can be absolute gold. I'm already thinking about different places in my house and the actual time that I wanna start doing things along these lines. And now we'll let you move on to number four.

1 (29m 7s):
You know J you number four is is where it gets fun because you've built the foundation, now you can start to layer in all of the advanced biohacks out there. Like science is unlocking all the secrets of cellular biology, cellular regeneration, and anti-aging. So when you've got a solid foundation, you know your diet's in check, you've got your sleep figured out, you've got some spiritual game, you've figured out the food. Now you can get into like N A D IV for like supercharging your mitochondria. You can start to get into peptides, which are just incredible. You can start to get into like Modil and other neutropics, you know, these take a solid foundation and, and these are the hacks that really give you that extra 10 or 20% that your competitor doesn't have.

1 (29m 56s):
And that's what just gives you an edge over everybody. It gives you an edge over the investor that you're sitting across from at the table. Mentally it gives you an edge over people who are trying to just like get under your skin. You know, you just, you just get that extra 20 or 10 or 20%. I work with a lot of professional poker players, jd, oh yeah. And I work with these guys. They've got exogenous ketones in their bag. They know how to stack the modano. They've got all the el, the electrolytes dialed in, like they're sitting across from the smartest guys in the world for X amount of hours. And I can give them the hacks when they get to hour nine or 10 that are gonna help them win. So once you get the foundation, number four is start layering in the advanced biohacks hacks.

1 (30m 42s):
And then the last one, JLD that I actually think is probably the most important is, is being able to give back. And that actually is the greatest health hack of everything we've talked about today, which is how are you giving back to those in need or to those who are less fortunate or in ways that are contributing to the advancement of society as a whole. When you give to somebody else with no expectation of anything in return, you get a dopamine hit that is as strong as any dopamine hit, even stronger than winning money.

1 (31m 22s):
And they've actually done FMRI studies on this. They've compared the brain activation in the reward regions When you win money and when you give money to someone with no expectation of anything in return, the latter scenario actually generates more of a reward response. So the last one, and it just feels good and that's feels we should be doing and we just need more of that. So that's number five. JLD

0 (31m 47s):
Fire Nation. If you're not convinced that this episode has given you a step in the right direction of supercharging the entrepreneur health that is your health, then check your pulse. Listen to this episode again because there are so much value in so many value bombs that have been dropped. And Dave, let's talk at the very end here about heads up. This is your passion project. This is something that is going to and currently is and is going to continue to revolutionize the way that we track health, that we track the data that is our health, take it home.

1 (32m 24s):
Yeah, I was doing all of these things, JLD I was working on improving my body composition. I was working harder than everybody in the gym and I still had more body fat than my friends and it was frustrating and I was, I was really looking to get to the peak and my job, my day job was as a data analyst. So I, I was really good at pulling in massive data sets and finding the signal and the noise and then going and fixing a computer system. There's a thousand computer systems in this hospital. You know, my job was to go find the one that was running slow and fix it. So I got really good at capturing data, analyzing it, and I'm like, hey, actually there's really no tools in healthcare for people to do this at all.

1 (33m 8s):
And yet, you know, our health is the number one driver of our quality of life. So like I could go find tools to analyze my stock performance, you know, the artificial intelligence solutions to predict winners of a sport event. You know, there's, there's analytics tools for everything. Even like fantasy football has better analytics tools than our health. And that just didn't make any sense to me, honestly. Like I can pull up the stats on a football player faster than I can, my blood sugar, you know, that just was wrong. So what I set out to do JLD was build heads up and heads Up is a platform where you can analyze your own health data, make adjustments in real time, and then share that data with any health expert that you want so that they can give you that next level of interpretation.

1 (33m 56s):
You know, they study this for a living, they've gone to med school, they know the hacks. You and I have a mutual friend, JLD, Dr. Lemanski, and you know that's a guy that can look at your numbers and help you get to the next level. So we have created the Ultimate Health Dashboard, all your health metrics one place and you can share it with your doctor. It's my life's work. You've been a huge supporter of that work, JLD, I'm extremely grateful and we'll set up a place where you can go, if you're listening, sign up for the trial and we'll, we'll get a opportunity to give everyone listening here a discount on the show J ld. We can set that link up. But that is just a place where you can go try out our system, measure your health, like I said before, just get a few data points and that will help you cut through all the noise and all the BS from all the experts out there.

1 (34m 42s):
So that's what I'm working on, that's what I'm bringing to the world. That's my creation. J L

0 (34m 46s):
D, I'm loving all of this. And if Fire Nation wanted to connect with you, whether that be on the app, social media, is there any way that they can start tracking what you have going on?

1 (34m 57s):
Find heads up on any of the social media platforms. We put all of our updates there. We're, we're most active on LinkedIn, so that would be a place to get our updates. We also have our own podcast you can check out. Our website is heads up health.com and the best way to reach me is just to email our staff it's support@headsuphealth.com and they can get you in touch with us to learn more about our product. Connect with me directly if anyone wants to discuss business opportunities, whatever it is, I go through support@headsuphealth.com. That's the best way to reach us. So lots of ways to find us out

0 (35m 34s):
There. I mean our nation, if you're listening to this right now and you're thinking I need to connect with with Dave for one of any reasons, like he said, business opportunities, questions, you know, all these different things, email the supports, support@headsuphealth.com, support@headsuphealth.com. Make that happen, Fire Nation cuz you're the average of the five people you spend the most time with. You've been hanging out with DK and JLD today, so keep up the heat. If you have any direct questions for Dave, you can find this episode on the podcast listening app. Podopolo, post a comments, get in there, ask a question. Dave, thank you for sharing your truth, your knowledge, your value with Fire Nation today.

0 (36m 15s):
For that, we salute your brother and we'll catch you on the flip side. Hey, Fire Nation, a huge thank you to our sponsors and Dave for sponsoring today's episode in Fire Nation. Over the last decade, I've interviewed more than 3,500 of the world's most successful entrepreneurs, and I've created a revolutionary 17 step roadmap to your financial freedom and fulfillment. I put it all into my first traditionally published book, the Common Path to Uncommon Success, personally endorsed by Seth Godin and Gary Vaynerchuk. The common path to uncommon success is the step-by-step guidance that you need to achieve the lifestyle of your dreams. Visit uncommon success book.com to order your copy today and I'll catch you there, or I'll catch you on the flip side.

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