Jon Ostenson is a top 1% Franchise Broker, Consultant, Investor, and Author of the book ‘Non-Food Franchising’. He draws on his experience as a former Inc. 500 Franchise President and Multi-Brand Franchisee in serving his clients. He is a frequent contributor on Franchising for Forbes, Inc., Bloomberg and The Franchise Journal.
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3 Value Bombs
1) One overlooked aspect of success is focusing on stewardship and family legacy.
2) When advising early-stage entrepreneurs, he believes there are three key aspects to consider: mindset, talent, and investment criteria.
3) People are crucial to any business, whether the individuals you hire or the franchisor you partner with.
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Today’s Audio MASTERCLASS: Why Non-Food Franchises are the Perfect Portfolio Building Strategy with Jon Ostenson
[1:40] – Jon shares something he believes about becoming successful that most people disagree with.
- He believes that one overlooked aspect of success is focusing on stewardship and family legacy.
[3:31] – What are you seeing in the world of ‘non-food franchising’?
- Entrepreneurship thrives across North America, with placements happening in various cities from LA to New York, Seattle to South Florida. It is encouraging to see record orders and continued interest in Canada and North America.
- Jon is witnessing people from diverse backgrounds getting involved in businesses, such as in-home healthcare, youth sports, pet services, and construction-oriented niches.
- On a personal note, Jon recently invested in two more franchises — a pavement coding line striping business in Minneapolis, and a custom orthotics and footwear business near Miami.
[6:28] – Jon introduces Nathan.
- Nathan Bulcock is a true rockstar and an inspiration.
- Nathan and Jon crossed paths a couple of years ago when Jon helped him enter a waste management-related franchise.
- Since then, they have collaborated on several deals and developed a strong friendship.
- Nathan is the CEO of Gray Fox and has a diverse range of entities and interests. He has achieved remarkable success through franchise stacking by combining businesses in the Property Services space and Two Men and a Truck Moving service.
[8:24] – Nathan shares his journey and what led him to get involved in franchising.
- In the early 2000’s his journey began in the insurance business, where he was on track to become a partner in the firm he worked for.
- Although he had limited knowledge about franchising, he decided to venture into franchising with Two Men and a Truck.
- Over the past 13 years, he has built a portfolio within the Two Men and a Truck brand, expanding throughout the southeastern region.
- During this time, he connected with Jon, who introduced him to other promising brands he had not previously considered. Diversifying his involvement in non-food franchising became a natural progression, aligning with his long-standing belief in this franchise model.
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[15:48] – Nathan advises those in Fire Nation who are looking to follow in his footsteps.
- When advising early-stage entrepreneurs, he believes there are three key aspects to consider: mindset, talent, and investment criteria.
- Many aspiring entrepreneurs are driven by desires for income, autonomy, and flexibility, often influenced by success stories they’ve heard. However, it is essential to understand the underlying motivations behind these desires.
- Ownership is not just a title, but a mindset that requires active involvement and responsibility.
- When it comes to investment, criteria vary based on individual goals, risk tolerance, cash position, desired organization size, and exit plans.
- Partnering with Jon has been beneficial, as they share similar values and research perspectives, particularly in prioritizing strong management teams.
[22:48] – Jon’s key takeaway.
- People are a crucial aspect of any business, whether the individuals you hire or the franchisor you partner with.
- Some clients prefer to find the business opportunity first and then seek the right person to fill the role, utilizing the assistance of a recruiter if needed. On the other hand, if you already have someone in mind, you can find a business that suits their skills and interests.
[23:54] – Jon’s call to action.
- FranBridge Consulting – Receive a free copy of Jon’s new book, Non-Food Franchising, or book a call to chat with Jon directly about franchising opportunities!
[26:16] – Nathan’s key takeaway.
- Building something significant requires a team effort. It is essential to acknowledge that you cannot accomplish it alone, which is perfectly fine.
[22:09] – Thank you to our Sponsors!
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Transcript
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Who's ready to rock today, Fire Nation. JLD here and welcome to Entrepreneurs on Fire brought to you by the HubSpot Podcast Network, the audio destination for business professionals with great shows like Inclusion and Marketing. Today we'll be breaking down the top non-food franchise opportunities for 2024. To drop these value bombs, I brought John Ostenson into EOFire Studios. John is a top one percent Franchise Broker Consultant, Investor and Author of the book Non-Food Franchising. He draws on his experience as a former Inc 500 Franchise president in multi-brand franchisees in serving his clients a frequent contributor on Franchising for Forbes, Inc Bloomberg and The Franchise Journal, not to mention an annual sponsor for Entrepreneurs on Fire.
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And today Fire Nation we will be talking about the top 10 franchise opportunities right now in 2024. Fire Nation, let's go also how to evaluate these opportunities and how to jump on these opportunities and so much more when we get back from thanking our sponsors. Sales Evangelist hosted by my friend Donald Kelly is brought to you by the HubSpot Podcast Network,, the audio destination for business professionals. Each week, Donald interviews the world's best sales experts, successful sellers, sales leaders, and entrepreneurs who share their strategies to succeed in sales. Right now, a recent episode you should definitely check out is The Five Ways to Do Daily Outbound with LinkedIn.
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1 (1m 58s):
Fire Nation great to be back once again. You know, I oftentimes see people on the edge of making what I feel is a really good move for them, you know, stepping into business ownership. But oftentimes they'll decide the timing isn't right or they paralyze themselves with analysis. Well, first off, the timing is never going to be right. There will never be a perfect time. And true entrepreneurs do recognize that. Secondly, you know, analysis is important. We highly recommend it. We, we participate in it. However, it's important to a point. And I recently shared a quote with our newsletter list there at FranBridge from Bob Goff, and I think he summed it up well. He says, we need to stop plotting the course and instead just land the plane on our plants.
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Fire Nation. What a fantastic start to what is going to be. And I quote a fantastic interview above the top non-food Franchise opportunities for 2024. And brother, you have been busy. I am seeing you all over the place. What the heck have you been up to?
1 (2m 54s):
Been a great run here. I recently opened up another Franchise myself. This one's down, down in Delray, Florida. It's my first one in the health and wellness space. And it's unique in that it's an Investor model where the franchisor is actually running the business for me. And you know, those are very rare in Franchising. There are only four or five companies out there that do it today. But obviously those have been very popular with our clients. And you know, I'm personally participating as well. So excited about that. You know, we just came off the one year anniversary of our book, Non-Food Franchising. Yes. Just had a great response. And you know, so many EOFire listeners have been able to, you know, read that and consume the content and we've gotten great feedback. You know, and really most importantly, you know, this past year we've been able to help.
1 (3m 37s):
So, so many folks get into business ownership either for the first time or maybe they're a current business owner and this compliments their current portfolio. So yeah, absolutely love being able to help people and then see the milestones as they hit them.
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I mean, you've worked with hundreds and into 2024, it's gonna be moving into thousands of Fire Nation of EOFire listeners. You've helped them both fines and even more importantly, in some cases, evaluate franchises. So what are you seeing in the Franchise landscape as we enter 2024 with a bang? You
1 (4m 12s):
Know, I was speaking at a Franchise conference this past week and you know, talking to hundreds of franchisors, and I've gotta say, John, it is a great time to be in Franchising. Really, over the past two to three years, we have seen more interest than we ever have before. I think Covid kind of led to part of that, you know, cash on the sidelines. And, and lately I'd say, you know, a lot of real estate investors, you know, probably 75% of our clients also invest in real estate. And the fact is, interest rates have gone up. You know, there's scarcity of inventory out there. There's just not many good real estate deals to be had. So we see more and more real estate investors coming over. And, you know, from a theme standpoint, what we're seeing on the landscape, you know, you know, we're seeing interest in what I would call recession resilient industries. You know, that I like the non-sexy Non, trendy.
1 (4m 53s):
Oh yeah, understandable. Cash flow in businesses, you know. But oftentimes, I, I get asked the question, you know, what kind of business do you want to be on? And if a recession were to come along, and I always go back to what will people always spend on, it's, it's their kids, their pets, their aging parents, their homes, their health. So think businesses under those big umbrellas stand to do
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Well, Fire Nation, you're about to love this next part because I know that you love fire rounds and I wanna have some fun. We're gonna do a rapid fire share of 10 Franchise opportunities that are resonating with John's clients right now at such a high level. So John, we we're gonna do five right now. Take a quick break and then crush the next five. So take it away.
1 (5m 36s):
We'll start out with a couple of those businesses, like I was describing, non-sexy property services type businesses. The first is in the concrete paving and line striping business. This is a Franchise that has, it's B2B, you know, they do a lot of parking lots, they have national accounts. I'm personally invested in their Minneapolis location, but it's a business that doesn't require brick and mortar. There is no retail component. All in investment on this. When you look at the Franchise fee, the startup costs and the working capital for, for a few months of operating, you're all in right around 200, 250,000 for a single territory. Typically with franchises. They define a territory maybe by number of addressable households or businesses, or maybe it's population like 300,000 in population. And oftentimes you will see people kind of stack those and do multiple territories purchases.
1 (6m 20s):
But you know, with this business, again, on an investment of 200 to two 50, the average revenue is seven 50 with, you know, north of 20% bottom line margin. So really nice return on investment in a business that's not going outta style. Second, another property services business. This ones provides temporary walls. You know, we always talk about riches in the niches. Well, they put these temporary walls around construction sites, around renovations sites. You know, that could be an airports, retail, hotels, offices, hospitals, just as examples. It's very much like an equipment rental business, if you will. The walls actually pay for themselves in about 70 days, which is nice. Again, no brick and mortar or retail component to the business, you know, but great group behind this, really strong Franchise experience.
1 (7m 5s):
Married with industry experience, which we always like to see the investment on this one. You're in the, I'd say two 50 to three 50 range, really, depending on how much inventory you start with out of the gate. Now listen to this, the average revenue is about two And A, half million at 40% bottom line. So incredible returns. Now that's a small sample size, so always tell people, let's go conservative when we have a small sample size in that financial representation, this is one that's truly an emerging brand. Third dumpsters, I've talked about dumpsters once or twice before on the show. I love that industry. It's a highly fragmented mom and pop type industry. You've got a couple of big players, but if you can come in and kind of compliment them and not overlap them, it, it's a win.
1 (7m 48s):
And so this is, there's one that we really like where they just bring a white collar approach to a blue collar industry. The, the leadership has been in the business for 50 years. They've got all the relationships they can negotiate tipping fees on the backend. They've got all the marketing and technology dialed in, really differentiating from the competition. And we've just seen with clients, they go into a market and quickly gain market share. They're usually at a million dollar run rate by the end of year one, building up to an average of two to 3 million, you know, once they're a couple years in. And this is a business that can be wrong with only two employees, so fewer employees. It is heavy, obviously on the CapEx side, you know, investing in the equipment that the actual canisters.
1 (8m 28s):
So all an investment on this one because the heavy cap x, you're probably about half a million to maybe seven 50. You know, of course SBA loans are very common for businesses like this where you might put in 20, 25% cash and then leverage the rest through an SBA loan. And, and there are a lot of tax benefits with a business that's heavy in CapEx as well. All right, number four. Switching gears a little bit, let's talk about the silver tsunami that the aging population, we hear about it all the time. It's definitely a macro theme for many years to come. And you know, the in-home care space is more needed than ever. You know, everyone has aging parents or grandparents and they want to age in place and stay in their home, but oftentimes they need caretakers.
1 (9m 9s):
And you know, it, the caretaking industry is a crowded industry for good reason. There's a lot of demand, but there's one business in particular that we feel like has built a better mouse trap. That leadership team has been in the industry for several decades and really built a better model where you can run it with fewer employees, better service to the customer. I won't get into all the details here, but ultimately it's a new spin on a growing and much needed, you know, opportunity in the market. We've actually had 12 clients already this year purchase the in-home senior care business here. So that's one you can get in on the lower end, probably more like 1 25 to one 50. And you know, the, the item 19 in their FDD where they make the financial representation, you know, it's a small sample size, but they're showing franchisees at around 2 million a year, at about a 20% bottom line.
1 (9m 59s):
So again, when you extrapolate and do the math, really attractive returns. And then our fifth one would be kind of shifting gears over to the, the youth side. Youth soccer. Soccer is more popular than ever in the US And with the world Cup coming in a few years and MLS growing, it's only gonna continue. And this is a business that compliments current soccer leagues. And so they provide lessons, clinics, camps. They've been in business over 20 years. They had started with 14 corporate locations, private equity backed and just entered Franchising in the last couple of years. But great team behind this one. You're primarily using part-time, employees all in investment. You can get in as low as a hundred thousand, maybe one 50 tops, you know.
1 (10m 40s):
And then what they're showing on those original 14 locations is an average revenue of one And A half million with about 30% bottom line. So really, really attractive. And obviously there's a community feel-good impact with this as well. And I think we've had seven or eight clients placed with this one this year.
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1 (13m 24s):
My whole theme is I don't do food often. You know, it. It's just, there are easier ways to make money in most cases. However, there is one that we like out there, and it's actually a food truck in the donut space. And this is a business only two employees, flexible hours. It's not location driven. And the donut batter doesn't go bad for a full year. So you cook it right there, you know, in front of the client or or customer, and you have very high margins. You know, you just don't have that spoilage. So as a result, you know, this business is averaging around 200,000 in revenue. And you know, it's dropping about, I think it's one 50 to the bottom line, really attractive margins, you know, investment wise are right around 200,000.
1 (14m 4s):
And you know, when you think about a business like this, you know, you can park these things at outlet centers, you can take 'em to office parks, high school football games, private events, a lot of potential end uses for it. So again, I don't do food often, but when I do, I like those kind of characteristics. All right. Now, maybe a more healthy concept would be anti-aging and beauty solutions. You know, everyone's talking about longevity and anti-aging. And so this is a business that provides that component, but also the beauty side. And they have just been growing really rapidly. You know, they provide hormone replacement peptides, IVs, vitamin injections, supplements, needling, sculpting with about a dozen other services. And as a Franchise owner, you can kind of pick and choose which ones you wanna provide, maybe out of the gate and then as you scale up.
1 (14m 49s):
But this one is one that competes really well within the med spa space versus competition. It's a membership model. So you've got a recurring revenue stream. It is a little heavier on the investment than some of these. You know, you're looking at probably the 400 to 600,000 range all in. Again, that as a reminder, that's your Franchise fee, your startup cost, and a couple months of working capital built in. But they're averaging about 1.5 to 2 million in revenue per location. You know, some with doing as much as 3 million. So big, big potential there. Number eight, in a similar vein, this is probably the fastest growing Franchise at the moment. It's in the men's health arena. You know, testosterone replacement therapy would be kind of the, the 80% of the business, you know, represented by TRT, which I don't know what circles you guys are in, but I hear about testosterone replacement everywhere I go.
1 (15m 39s):
And again, highly fragmented market. This is an opportunity to get into what's quickly becoming the biggest player out there in that space. It's a high ticket recurring revenue model. You know, the, the challenge though is it's selling out really fast. A lot of major markets are already taken. I think they've done 300 territory deals in like the last six months. We've had clients, I think we placed about 25 territories, six clients. And so we're definitely participating, but it's competitive for the different markets. All in investment, you're around 300, 350,000. And then get this based on their corporate locations that have been open a couple of years, they're averaging 1.8 million in revenue per year with about a 30% bottom line.
1 (16m 19s):
That translates to over 600,000 on the bottom line on an investment of 300 to three 50. So again, we would go in with conservative estimates, but there is huge potential in a business like that. All right, moving on to our final two. The next one is mobile pet grooming. You know, I think it's 90 million households, you know, have pets now it's continued to grow at a rapid pace and I continue to hear, hey, we can't find good groomers out there. Highly fragmented space. This is one. What I love about this is it's an Investor model. As I mentioned earlier. These last two that we'll talk about are both that Investor passive model where the Franchise order runs the business for you. With the mobile PEG grooming, depending on your market size, you're all in somewhere in the two 50 to 800 range.
1 (17m 5s):
And they're averaging about 1.5 to 2 million in top line revenue, about two 50 dropping in the bottom line. Final one is in the insulation market, which is a $53 billion market. No one can name a brand of a company in the, in the space. So highly fragmented. And this is business, it's an Investor model where the Franchise order can run it. Again, I'm making it sound like there are a lot of Investor models out there. There aren't, there's probably five or six companies in total that, that are running it today. But this is a business that's got a lot of proprietary items around it. We've had doctors buying in, I've had corporate executives buying in all different types of backgrounds. You know, they're putting in maybe five hours a week on average early on.
1 (17m 45s):
There's gonna be a little bit more time within about five hours. And the franchisor is managing that team for them. So when you look at it that way, in the time value of money, it's a beautiful trade off. With this one. All in investments similar to the, the mobile PET grooming, you're probably two 50 to 800 ish. And then the revenue, they're north of 500,000 on the bottom line with the top line revenue of a little over 2 million. So those are our 10, John, I think those, I presented those recently at an Investor conference. I think they really represent, you know, kind of a taste of different industries we're seeing in the market.
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Yeah, there's actually a couple that I'm like picturing some local commercial space. 'cause I'm like, you know what? I actually want to use those services. So maybe I just need a Franchise there so that I can both profit from it and benefit from it. So maybe something to think about in that area. Fire Nation, who, by the way, John is fired up right now because obviously they just heard these 10 amazing opportunities. So once again, how can we find the right opportunity for us individually?
1 (18m 47s):
You know, certainly you can Google around, but the challenge is gonna be you're, you're seeing every company put their best foot forward. You know, they're sharing their marketing message. Even the top 100 Franchise lists or top 50 list, typically those companies pay to be on the list. It's a PR move. So you really have to dig under the covers, you know, and that's where we come in. You know, we, we partner with clients and as a reminder, it's entirely free to work with us. It's very much like a real estate model. And I, I essentially act as a buyer's agent, you know, if you will. So you never pay us a nickel. In a nutshell though, the way we approach it, there are roughly 4,000 Franchise brands in the us. We take out most of those in the food space as well as hotels. Those are just a different animal.
1 (19m 27s):
So that cuts us down, you know, probably by 50%. And then from there, we apply our filters, you know, the strong, strongest financial models, you know, competitive advantages, what are current Owners saying about their experience. And then we put, take a hard look at the leadership team. And when we apply those filters, it usually narrows us down somewhere in the ballpark of 50 or 60 in a given market that we feel are the best of the best. And so, you know, we're very blessed in that we do more placements than anybody else in the country. And so we also bring that insight into what's resonating with different backgrounds. So why, so when we apply all those different filters, it gets us down to typically somewhere around a dozen, 10 or 12 opportunities that, you know, if I'm in your shoes, in your market, here are the ones I wanna be looking at.
1 (20m 9s):
And so we've created a really streamlined process to get clients in front of those opportunities very quickly. 'cause oftentimes I found you don't know what you're looking for until it's right in front of you. And so we love helping our clients achieve those light bulb moments when it all comes together. So, you know, as far as the first step goes in that direction, you know, I would be more than happy to get on a call. You can come out to our website, indicate that interest, sign up for our book, Non-Food Franchising, again, at FranBridgeConsulting.com. We will give you a free downloadable copy and that can be a really good primer and a good place to start.
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I love all of this and I, I do wanna say congratulations on hitting the one year mark with your book, Non-Food Franchising. I think that calls for a special offer for Fire Nation, which you might have just mentioned, but I wanna make sure they hear it directly. So no pressure, but let's hear that special offer.
1 (20m 57s):
Yeah, we would love to share a free downloadable copy with everyone. You, we have both a PDF version as well as an audio version that my assistant will send out to you as soon as you, you know, share your email address there on the website. If you'd prefer to go to Amazon or to another book retailer, you can certainly purchase the book. All the proceeds go to Hope International, which is a great nonprofit supporting entrepreneurs around the world. Great, great nonprofit that we support. So would definitely encourage that avenue as well. But would love to share that and then potentially engage, if you're ready to take the next step and actually have a conversation about opportunities
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Fire Nation, make that happen. And one more time, John, what is the URL?
1 (21m 34s):
Yeah, FranBridgeConsulting.com. FranBridgeConsulting.com. And would love to share some content with you.
0 (21m 42s):
Fire Nation, you're the average of the five people you spend the most time with. You've been hanging out with Jo and JLD today, so keep up that heat. For links to everything we talked about, visit EOFire.com. Type John in the search bar, the search page will pop up right there. John, thank you for sharing your truth, your knowledge, your experience, your availability with Fire Nation. Today, for that, we salute you and we'll catch you on the flip side. Hey, Fire Nation, a huge thank you to our sponsors and John for sponsoring today's episode and Fire Nation. Are you ready to rock your very own podcast? Check out our free podcasting course where I will teach you how to both create and launch your podcast for free. freepodcastcourse.com.
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I'll catch you there. Or on the flip side, Sales Evangelist hosted by my friend, Donald Kelly, is brought to you by the HubSpot Podcast Network,, the audio destination for business professionals. Each week, Donald interviews the world's best sales experts, successful sellers, sales leaders, and entrepreneurs who share their strategies to succeed in sales. Right now, a recent episode you should definitely check out is The Five Ways to Do Daily Outbound with LinkedIn. Listen to Sales Evangelist wherever you get your podcasts. Hostinger is among the top web hosting and website creation brands in the world. See for yourself. Head to Hostinger.com/ONFIRE and use code ONFIRE for an exclusive 10% discount.
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