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Light that Spark Fire Nation, JLD here. And welcome to Entrepreneurs on Fire, brought to you by the HubSpot Podcast Network. With great shows like CEO School. Today we'll be breaking down the true meaning of an architect to drop these value bombs. I have brought David Supple into EOFire Studios. David is a CEO of nedc in Boston, architects who build and list spirits with spaces. He is an author and a humanitarian on a mission to unite those that create the built movement. And today Fire Nation we’ll talk about the true meaning of an architect, we'll talk about why that's not what an architect is today we'll talk about bucking the status quo and so much more.

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1 (1m 42s):
Hello, Fire Nation honored to be on here with you and for me, I would say in success, you wanna be successful, but the achievement of that is gained through helping people. And if you can look at, not necessarily how can I be successful, which the question kind of makes you, makes you look at, but you know, how can you help others and, and look at this win-win, win proposition and where you are providing value, which, which you talk a lot about. And you know, goes also into this scarcity versus abundance mindset.

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Fire Nation, we're talking about the true meaning of an architect. This is an interesting topic, one that we don't touch upon very often here at Entrepreneurs on Fire. So I think it's gonna be a great conversation with a very interesting theme. And I wanna talk first and foremost about the true meaning of an architect. What is that true meaning, David?

1 (2m 44s):
Well, unbeknownst to most, you have an architect today and a builder, but the word architect, if you go back to its derivation, goes back to anti antiquity, into ancient Greek times. And it means master builder Archie is chief or master, and tecton is builder or carpenter. And it meant master builder. And you would become an architect by going up through the trades. Like today, you still have, you know, master electrician, master plumber, you start off as an apprentice, you're then a journeyman, and then once you are a master, you can turn around and design and direct, direct the work.

1 (3m 26s):
And that is where the word came from. And that held truth for millennia throughout history. The architect was always just the best builder.

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I find that very interesting because I don't think a lot of people would really go down to the core of what that means to understand where it came from. And I love that word derivation. It actually might be the first of 3,800 plus episodes of that word, maintenance, appearance, and entrepreneurs on fire. So it's, it's long overdue, David, but it was, it was absolutely used and antiquity as well. I love, I love those two words, but I'm kind of really enjoying getting down to the core of this true meaning of an architect. And I'm just, I'm kind of curious as we continue to flesh this out, is that why has that true meaning like not really lived up to what an architect is today?

1 (4m 18s):
Yeah, yeah. Well, I've done a deep dive into this topic, and I, and just to preface it with how I became, you know, aware of this is I went to school to be an architect. I got out of school and I tell folks it's like going to school to be a chef, but you never cooked anything in your life, but now you're, your job is to turn around and tell folks what to build or what to cook and how to cook it. Like that's the analogy for being an architect in the way one is trained today. And I felt completely deficient in insecure. And so I started to look into this. I, I figured out, oh, there wa the derivation of the word is mass builder. That hit me like a ton of bricks.

1 (4m 59s):
I looked into it further and up until the mid 18 hundreds, the architect built. And at that time, if you look up in an English dictionary, if you look up architect and builder, they are synonyms. They use the other word to define the other one. And what happened is, at that time, a group of the best builders, architects, same, same thing at that time were, was trying to solve the problem of how they could raise their social status. At that time there was this status called a gentleman. It came from England, it was in their census. It wasn't just an a ni an adjective for a nice guy, it was in their sentence. It census as a thing you hit.

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And per the definition of a gentleman, you could not partake in manual labor, physical labor. And so the way they solved this was to create the American Institute of Architects, and they changed the rules of the game. It was really a pr play to raise their status to be at the same level of the, their best clients. And, and so that is really how it started. They then got it, the education of an architect switched from an apprenticeship system to a university curriculum and then cyclically, you know, through generations. There was more of a disconnect, more of a disconnect, more of a dis dis dis disconnect until you had guys like me and gals like me coming out and being like, I have no idea what I'm doing.

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And, and so, and, and also societally is not aware of this. It's like, oh yeah, the architect and builder, it's been made to appear like they've always been separated. If you go back to ancient Greek times, the, the, we'll talk about it now, like there was an architect and a builder. That's because the, the same institutions that put out this new curriculum are also the ones writing the history books. And so they've made it appear like they've always been separated, but, but that is not true.

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Now, as I'm hearing you talk about this, it really feels like there's this changing of the guard. And my question to you is, does this changing of the guard matter, is it going to have an impact? And if so, what?

1 (7m 15s):
It makes a huge difference. Incredible. Like, more than we know really. And it's, it's actually an inevitability because you see technology advancing. Now you can, you can 3D print a building. You have AI that's starting to design. And as technology advances the integration, like where, where did the design stop? What click of the button did the design stop and the construction start, like this integration is coming together regardless, just naturally because it, it is inherently makes sense. And so correcting our history and putting that, giving an society awareness of that is really important because it just will, will bring that upon faster.

1 (8m 7s):
And the progress it brings the, you know, if you have anything to do with design or construction in this industry, it is adversarial. It is segregated in on many levels. And that is from the setup of it. And it is not natural. And it's, you know, I could, I could, we could, I could talk a long time about how that it does, does not benefit anybody, doesn't benefit the architect, the builder, and most importantly the client who is left in between these two professionals where there's both are responsible, but neither is really.

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And so the change is really embracing accountability and providing that for the client. And the real difference is in the experience, which is not as tangible as the end product, which you see and experience, but that experience throughout the process is completely different when it, when you do have the integration of the architect and builder, and it does make a better product as well.

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I think it's really interesting that you brought up AI and it's just amazing how artificial intelligence is literally currently touching and continue to even become more enmeshed in everything that we do. I mean, totally from podcasting to design to all forms of media to, you know, I mean just anything that decision, we're gonna make content, we're gonna, I mean, it's just crazy the amount of impact and the reach that AI is going to have. And people that aren't willing to embrace this around the forefront of this, you know, they're really gonna be an interesting situation coming up, you know, in the next, you know, 1, 5, 10 years. And this is one of those things that's not gonna come slowly.

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1 (13m 15s):
Yeah, I mean, I'm really just the way it's set up currently, educationally, I'm in Boston, we have some of the most prestigious and best, you know, educational institutions in the world. And if you are going to school, say for construction management, you'll be in the same school as those going to school for architecture or engineering. But there's no cross pollination, totally different locations, curriculums, professors, there's no integration, although the, the built environment is based on these different professionals working together to serve the client. So it actually makes no sense whatsoever.

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And if you understand why it was set up that way, which was for the wrong reasons, for social status, it makes it all the more powerful and logical to, to change it, to make it integrated. And that's really where it's going to start with is the education, because we are grooming in this adversarialness and this segregated setup, you know, where it's being taught. And then, you know, we wonder why it's like that in the industry. Design build as a, as a word is kind of the name of bringing these things together.

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And, but I I'm really looking at it from more of an educational base of, hey, let's look at this history of how this occurred. The other thing these gentlemen did is, which I have just published my first book on, it's called Classical Architecture's African Roots, is what they knew to be true and, and what was pretty much common knowledge before the 18 hundreds, is that the Greeks and the Romans got it from Africa, from Egypt. In terms of classical architecture. Classical architecture is the most popular and most influential style of architecture throughout history.

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And it's in our textbooks today. It's presented as it just kind of spraying up in Greece and then the Romans perfected it. But my book shows definitively and conclusively visually with buildings that still stay in today, that have the truth has somehow lay hidden despite that, that it came from Africa and these gentlemen who changed the history books to make it appear that the architect and the builder were separated throughout time to raise their social status because it benefited them, also changed the history books to deny Africa's legacy of classical architecture because it did not suit their ends.

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They wanted to be as positioned with Europe as opposed to Africa. Some of them owned slaves, you know, and so th this truth is really gonna turn the tide and, and make people understand that this status quo that we have today is really not the right way. And it's, we really need to get back to, you know, the inherently natural approach to building, which is to have these things connected just like the, the, the, the chef who's never cooked before. It doesn't make sense. And so it's, it's really first and foremost educating folks and, and really, you know, from a society level, because the industry is so set in its ways, I really appreciate the opportunity to make this known to a broader audience because that's what's gonna change it and then the industry will change.

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This is all fascinating stuff. And, and one thing that you did obviously while you were going deep on this research is you gained a lot of knowledge on these topics and these things. You just shared some of that with us now, but you've actually used this knowledge to actually buck the status quo. And you've told us a little bit about this already, but I wanna dive even deeper. What does that look like? You using this knowledge bucking that status quo?

1 (17m 25s):
Yeah, so I own New England design and construction 2005. I started this firm really with the intention to, to continue to fill the void I had in, in hands on building. I, I, you know, worked as an architect for a while. I came to this epi epiphany like, I don't know what I'm doing. I then worked as a carpenter to fill that void. I got fired and I started this company really to, to continue to learn and gradually have built it up, but always with this integrated approach, always with embracing accountability, you know, for, for the client taking full responsibility for the outcome, good or bad.

1 (18m 8s):
And, and so that, in that way, you know, we've tried to set an example in, you know, in this connected approach to building. And so, you know, it is design build is coming, becoming very, very popular now. It's almost like a, a catchphrase that you almost need to watch out, like really look at the firm and what they're composed of and what their, their ethos is and, and what have you. But you know, for me it's about setting a example for this methodology and and, and the outcome and the experience, the superior experience that it provides.

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So how can Fire Nation learn from everything that we've been talking about here today? I mean, we have a lot of entrepreneurs, small business owners, individuals that are looking to, to build brick and mortar businesses that are looking to, you know, look at and find niches and become the number one solution to real problems. What do you want our listeners to really get from this conversation?

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Yeah, I think there is a lesson there that is applicable to all sectors or industries. And that is, if I look at how I, you know, discovered, made these discoveries is I, it just didn't make sense to me. I saw something in my industry that didn't make sense to me. And instead of just going on and, and putting some excuse there of like, oh, whatever, that's just the way it is and I'll just, you know, I'll just pretend, you know, I really questioned it and I, and I didn't accept, and I pulled the string and then I, and I got, I got to a place and I kept pulling until I got to the bottom of it. And from that, I, I was left with a, a more fundamental understanding of my profession and what the right way to go about it is.

1 (19m 57s):
And I think there's likely lessons there in, in things that have just been accepted over time as the way it is that if one really evaluates may not make that much sense. And so I would encourage you to, to dig in and, and, and uncover until you, you, you have a satisfactory answer.

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Now, speaking of digging in, you wrote a book, you've mentioned it briefly, but I wanna talk a little bit more about this. What is this book? What's the concept behind it?

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You know, I stumbled upon this, like I said, I I was very much interested in this separation of the architect and builder and documenting that. And in my research I stumbled upon, you know, I what may be, have a, a bigger impact and effect on the world, which is this point of the denial of the true origin of classical architecture. And you know, you may not know anything about architecture, but if you, if you were to go outside, you'll see this style everywhere. It has impacted every style. And the true source of it was Africa.

1 (21m 9s):
And I found the gentleman who, you know, started to purport history in a certain way. They knew it to be true and started to change the history books to suit, you know, their ends of being affiliated with, with Europe instead of Africa. And so the book is a really first and foremost a picture book. And I'm putting it out for free as a free flip book online because I want the information out. I think this will really have profound and powerful implications worldwide because when you're done with this book and it's, it is def you know, see for yourself, I made it a picture book.

1 (21m 56s):
So you can see for yourself it's free to make it as accessible and shareable as possible, but when you're done with this book, you will be left with the question of like, oh my gosh, this definitely came from that, and how come I don't already know that? And so it sets up, you know, to continue the story and answer that question. And I will get to kind of back to where I was started from, which is this reintegration of our industry for the benefit of the world. But I'm starting with this piece of truth to really wake folks up to, to, to the fact that, oh my gosh, like we have been duped.

1 (22m 39s):
We have not, you know, we have not been given the truth. What's in our encyclopedias on this topic I can visually see is not true

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And let's talk about that reintegration. Like what exactly does that look like? Like take us home on that topic,

1 (22m 54s):
Providing a foundation where everybody starts with the, the fundamentals that are needed and then can progress into specialties, whether that be design or execute or you know, or the construction side. There's also a parallel of, you know, today I believe it is black people comprise about 15% of the population, but only 2% are architects. And so that's part of the book purpose of the book is to put the legacy there that the black community rightfully has it is theirs and it has been denied.

1 (23m 37s):
And I think that will be a very powerful thing. I also, because this is the low hanging fruit, because it is visual, I don't, I don't, don't have, you don't have to read anything, you can just look at the pictures and read the captions and you'll, you will come away with this. It opens the door to, oh my gosh, what else has been denied. And in other topics,

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Even on this topic, I mean, as we talked about pre-interview, you're, you're half Puerto Rican, so we gotta talk about the la Latino inclusion as well.

1 (24m 7s):
Oh, it's really been a Eurocentric Western and, and you know, there, it's not to minimize those contributions, but it was, it, it was set, it was, what I see is that it was put out that way for a certain agenda, which isn't necessarily aligned with the truth. And so all I'm asking for folks to do is look and, and I think it's gonna give folks a higher level of understanding of how we got to where we are today. I know for me, you know, when I thought of Africa growing up, I, I thought of impoverished people in, you know, poor settings and in reality you know, that, that civilization is responsible for the west advancements and, and achievements and, and you know, it's really increased my awareness that there is one race, it is the human race and that we have so much more in common along those lines than we, than we do apart.

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And the divisiveness and polarization that we are left with today is really from the misinformation. And so, you know, I hope this has a profound effect and inspires folks to look and, you know, not settle with what the status quo is because it's not necessarily, it's what I, I heard a definition of the history that history is what happened or what might've happened. It might've been what might've happened and we can get to a higher level of what actually did occur.

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Well David, I can tell you Fire Nation does not settle for these status quos. You were talking to the right people for sure. And give us just one key takeaway from our entire conversation today, how we can connect with you. Any call to action you may have. Then one, say goodbye.

1 (26m 11s):
I would encourage you to look and see what you see and, you know, have integrity in that. I'd love for you to download and view for yourself my free book. It is, you can purchase it on Amazon as well, but if you go to designrootsafrica.com, designrootsafrica.com, you, you can get it for free and it's actually better cause’ I made it so clickable. And there's a lot of neat features that you don't have with the print book in that. And I'm on Instagram, David Muniz Supple, M U N I Z, that's the Puerto Rican aspect of my name, David M U N I Z, Muniz Supple, S U P P L E.

1 (26m 55s):
That's, that's pretty much where I am on LinkedIn, Instagram, all the social media platforms.

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Fire Nation, you're the average of the five people you spend the most time with. You've been hanging out with Ds and JLD today. So, keep up that heat and if you have any direct questions for David, go to eofire.com. Type David in the search bar, the show notes page will pop right up with links to everything that we've talked about here today. Ways to contact and connect, and of course his book and Instagram and LinkedIn and all that jazz. David, thank you for sharing your truth, your knowledge, your value with Fire Nation today. For that we salute you and we'll catch you on the flip side.

1 (27m 35s):
Thank you, sir. Thank you for all you do.

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And FranBridgeConsulting has guided them to these premier opportunities. The founder, John Austinson, has done more placements than any other in the country. Sign up for a free consultation with John or get a free copy of his book, non-Food franchising at franbridgeconsulting.com. Outbound Squad, hosted by Jason Bay is brought to you by the HubSpot Podcast Network, the audio destination for business professionals. Tune in for convos with leading sales experts and top performing reps to help you land more meetings with your ideal clients. One of my faves, the monthly app with Jason Ethan, where they share hacks, tips and tricks. Listen to Outbound Squad wherever you get your podcasts.