Chris Ducker: God, I'm so ready to ignite. I can't wait.

John Lee Dumas: Yes! Chris is a serial entrepreneur, keynote speaker, and author of the bestseller Virtual Freedom. Originally from the UK, he's lived in the Philippines for 17 years, where he's founded several businesses, which combined, house over 450 full-time employees. He's also a popular business blogger and podcaster at chrisducker.com, and the founder of the personal branding business and community youpreneur.com, as well as the host of the upcoming Youpreneur Summit, which Fire Nation, yours truly, will be keynoting. So we'll be talking more about that in a little bit. But Chris, take a minute, fill in some gaps from that intro, and give us a little glimpse of your personal life.

Chris Ducker: That's great; a little glimpse of my personal life. Well, I was born at a very, very young age. That I know for sure. You pretty much summed it up. In personal life, married guy, three kids, another one on the way. And I like to try and age as gracefully as possible; put it that way.

John Lee Dumas: Well, you are a success in that venture because Fire Nation, we had a little video chat before we started here. And every time I see this guy, he just literally gets younger and better looking, at least visually. So we're gonna do an arm wrestling contest when I get over to London in November, so we'll see what happens there. But Chris, I kinda want to dive in because we have a lot to talk about. And Fire Nation, they just need to understand the power of this because you and I, we met at a live conference five years ago. Almost to the day now is five years ago. It truly was a bromance at first sight. We literally have been nothing but the best of friends.

I know I'll always take a second place to Pat Flynn but I'm saying I'm up there. I'm up there in the top four or five, and I love that, and it's something that we've been able to just continue to nurture. We've met at so many different events. I've been out to the Philippines multiple times, have got to see your home, we'd go to Hong Kong together for just a fun trip with Ers and Kate. We've done so many cool things and it all came from a live conference. So what is so important about live events? Why do we need to dig into our pockets, get the plane money, do this, do that? Why is it so gosh darn important?

Chris Ducker: Man, for all of the reasons you just mentioned. For all those exact reasons right there. It's about building the right kind of relationships; relationships that are not just sort of young and blossoming, but will hopefully be with you for a long time. I can clearly, very heart fully say that I believe that you and I will be friends until the very end; plain and simple. And you know what, yes, you've come out to the Philippines, you've spoken at my events, and we’ve traveled around together. We literally hung out all over the world. It's kinda crazy. And in five years, it's not been like we've known each other two decades or something.

So it just goes to show you that when you meet like-minded people that truly get you and what you're all about, and the struggles that you're embarking upon, no matter what industry or realm you're in, or whatever the case may be; when you meet people that you get and they get you, it's a special thing. And yes, you can do a lot of that online. Clearly, the world is a much, much smaller place today than it was 5 years ago, 10 years ago, 20 years ago because of the Web, because of social, because of the way that we interact. But the fact of the matter is you cannot replace a handshake and a hug; it's just not possible.

And that's why it's so darn important to attend live events. It's about surrounding yourself with people that you just know you're gonna connect with a totally different level to those online.

John Lee Dumas: And what's inspiring to me is to see what you've grown through these live events, what I've grown through live events. By the way, as attendees, and usually as speakers, and keynotes, at these events, but you even went the next step and said, "Wow, I'm going to create an event myself." You weren't even just saying I'm gonna create events in Oregon, or San Diego, or Austin, Texas where everybody else is; you're like, "I'm gonna do this in the Philippines."

And I was actually there, Ground Zero, when you basically said, "Amy Porterfield, if you agree to come out to the Philippines, I'm gonna throw and host Tropical Think Tank. We're gonna do this." Amy said yes. I was right next to her and I think that was the birth. So talk about your mindset like to that. Where did that come from? And the four that you had? Let's talk about them like what came from that.

Chris Ducker: I remember that night like it was yesterday. We were in Portland hanging out at a bar as part of World Domination Summit. And yeah, there were a few cocktails around and things like that, but [inaudible] [00:05:03] with all that one side; the fact is that I remember clearly saying, "You know what? I come out to the US several times a year. Yes, I'm speaking and traveling and everything but I come out also, and I extend trips to hang out with you guys, and you've never come out to the Philippines before, and that sucks." And I think literally it was Amy that turned around and said, "I'll come out to the Philippines."

By the way, Amy doesn't leave her house. You know what I mean? She's so not ready to get on airplanes, let alone, one that will take her literally to the other side of the world. So I'm not quite sure she knew what she was getting herself into when she said, yes to coming over for it. But when she said yes, it was like, "I'm gonna hold you to it. John, if Amy comes, will you come?" "Yes, I will. Pat, if Amy and John come, will you come?" "Yes." Ba-ba-ba-ba-bob. And that night, I think there was literally like six of the nine speakers, at the first ever Tropical Think Tank.

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John Lee Dumas: Yeah, Greg Hickman was there.

Chris Ducker: Yep, it was Greg. Caleb was there. Caleb Wojcik was there. It was it was pretty incredible group of people. And so everybody said yes, everybody came out, and we had an amazing time. And obviously, the attendees had a great time because they begged for another. I had no intention of doing a second year when I put that first one on. But clearly, by the end of the first event, everybody said, "You know, I can't believe I've traveled around the world to be here but I'm so glad I did. This has been life changing." And so it was a no brainer for me by the end of day two of five that I was gonna put this event on again. And we did. We did it four times in a row. You were there for two of them.

John Lee Dumas: Well, I was gonna say because you had a lot of repeat attendees for the second one but I can't quite remember, but wasn't there the only one repeat speaker?

Chris Ducker: No, you actually started a trend. So what we did was at the end of the first event, we surveyed all of our attendees and we basically asked them, "Who was your favorite speaker on the stage? Who was your favorite speaker off stage?" In a more of a social environment. And a whole lot of other questions as well, in regards to the event. But we tallied everything up and you came out top.

John Lee Dumas: I hope Pat's not listening.

Chris Ducker: I'm sure he is. He's well upset at both of us. And he knows the deal anyway, I told him already, "You lost to Dumas. He bet you fair and square, just suck it up and take it, Flynn. Just take it." But anyway, the bottom line is, so you started a trend where year-after-year, we would invite back the top rated speakers. So in year two, you came back. And I think in year two we had, I believe, it was Matthew Kimberly, who then came back in year three. And then in year four, Peter Shankman came back for year five.

John Lee Dumas: He's good, he's fun, he's quick, and he’s snappy.

Chris Ducker: Oh, yeah. So yeah, you started the trend, brother. It was all back to you.

John Lee Dumas: So one thing that I loved is that everybody left Tropical Think Tank at the end as an attendee, and as a speaker, absolutely. One thing that you did that was brilliant that you don't see a lot of conference hosts do is you dangle this amazing carrot of we're gonna do a one day mastermind with just the speakers before. That's just your brilliant marketing mind in action. And so that was a huge appeal for all of us. And all the attendees left feeling like they got so much out of it because we did these hot seats where one speaker was at each table, and went around, and it was just so incredible to have the question-and-answer sessions that we did.

So every attendee felt like they got so much out of these events. So basically, what I want to say Fire Nation, if you attend a Chris Ducker event, it is impossible that you are not gonna get a crap ton out of it that's gonna move your life and your business forward. Unfortunately, Chris, not every event is a Chris Ducker event. So how do you get the most out of just a non-Ducker event?

Chris Ducker: That's a very good question. Clearly, I run the best events on the planet and thank you very much for that. No, I think that actually getting the most out of my event is pretty much the same as getting the rest out of any event that you attend. First and foremost, understand that it ain't all about you. In fact, actually, hardly any of it is about you. So you have to go with a very, very wide open wingspan of just ready and waiting to embrace everyone and anything that comes your way at the event itself. That might be a cocktail reception, it might be a dinner, it might be networking in the corridors, it might be learning from the speakers, and it might be having a quick coffee with fellow attendees.

Whatever it is, it doesn't matter. You've just gonna be wide open. Don't say no to anything. Just get out there and make the best out of it. Talk to as many people, learn as much as you can, and make plenty of notes. But most importantly, when you're done and you're finished, you've got to take action; plain and simple. You've got to take action. It's like building a swimming pool and not putting water in it; that's just silly. You don't go to an event, learn a load of stuff, and then not take any action on it. So really, to get the most out of the events you attend, it's a bit of a mindset thing.

But I think that nine times out of ten, if you're gonna leave your house, your favorite coffee maker, your favorite La-Z-Boy, your favorite TV set, whatever it is, your little comfy home office, if you're gonna leave your house to get on a plane, or get on a bus, or get in a car, or a train, or whatever to go to a venue to live in a hotel for a few nights to an event, you're gonna take some form of action. You're gonna get something out of it. That's why I read so many books because all I need is one thing to make that week, or two weeks, or whatever it's taken for me to finish that book, just one thing out of that book that makes it worthwhile to buy the book, and read the book, and invest time to do so.

It's exactly same with the event. So just go there with wide open arms, and get ready to welcome anything and everyone into your life for a few days.

John Lee Dumas: Yeah, I'm even thinking of some of the partnerships that formed from your event. One of the attendees partnered with one of the speakers and they launched a YouTube company. That's just one example and it's unbelievable, Fire Nation.

Chris Ducker: We had year two, we had a speaker and an attendee fall in love.

John Lee Dumas: Oh, that's right. I was about to say names but I guess I won't if you won’t.

Chris Ducker: No, you can't do that. I think that's again like more – but nonetheless, it did work out for a few years. It was great for a few years.

John Lee Dumas: Right, and let's be honest, that's usually a better relationship anyways. A few years on to the – oh, just kidding. Anyways, let's talk about something granular. Let's talk about the wrong way to network at these events because you've been to a lot. Again, Chris, as a speaker but when you're a speaker, I see you, you're there, you're learning from the different talks that are being given and presentations. You're on a lot of panels, you see a lot of things, and again, you've been the host as well. What did you see in people do wrong when it comes to networking?

Chris Ducker: Don't go into a session and then leave half way to go join another second for the second half somewhere else. You don't learn anything that way. Either buy the virtual ticket or just skip the session and stick in the same session. That's if you're at a concurrent type an event with several events running –

John Lee Dumas: Multiple tracks.

Chris Ducker: Exactly. Now I have never run an event like that and I never will run an event like that. I can irrevocably say right now that will never happen at one of my events. Everybody's on the same stage, everyone sits in front of the same stage for the whole event. It's just the way I ran my thing.

John Lee Dumas: Well, and I love that about your events, Chris. One thing to share that's sad sometimes, and I've been at these events when they just try to have all of these tracks. It just in some hope that one person is gonna buy the ticket for this one a random track that they see. That's not why people buy tickets, by the way. But anyways, they have all these different tracks and then you're like, "I go because I want to support a friend," who might be speaking for the first time and there's like four people in that track.

Chris Ducker: It's the worst. It's the utter worst; it really is.

John Lee Dumas: They spent so much time creating that talk.

Chris Ducker: It is, without a doubt. I hear you loud and clear. And I think that a lot of the times these larger events kind of feel like, "Well, we've rented out the convention center that's got 20 rooms. We must have something happening at all time in those 20 rooms," which is just silly. So yeah, 1.) If you go into a session, you're going in there because you wanna learn, stay in the session till the end, show some respect to the speaker, don't ditch out halfway through.

Secondly, don't be the guy who throws business cards around like freakin' ninja stars. Please don't do that because that's just ridiculous. 1.) You might take somebody's eye out, and 2.) Honestly, what percentage of business cards that get handed to you at events, do you really end up using?

John Lee Dumas: Zero percent for me.

Chris Ducker: Seriously, you got to think about it. I haven't even had a business card for the last four years. I don't bother printing them anymore; it's pointless. I don't give them out. I just say, "If you wanna email me, chris@chirsducker.com, @chrisducker on Twitter, thanks for playing." Simple as that. So literally, don't be the guy who just throw, "Hi there, Chris. Here's my card." I don't even know what you do. Why would I want one of your silly little cards for? Get them out of my way. So just don't be the guy that gives out a lot of business cards; total pointless. And lastly, please for the love of everything that is holy in the business world, don't be the drunk guy at the bar in the evening; don't do that.

Go and have a couple of cocktails, for sure. But unless you know when to stop, you shouldn't touch alcohol, period. And I've seen some disastrous situations where people who generally are actually really nice people, but you get five or six cocktails into them, and they think they're a cross between Tom Cruise and freakin' Bruce Lee or something. So it's not a pretty situation when someone's drunk at an event. I learned from the hard way. I got drunk at an event probably ten years ago and made a complete idiot of myself and yes, I've gone out and yes, I've got tipsy with friends and things like that.

But I would certainly never go out, and get drunk, and hang out at one of the main socials or something like that at an event.

John Lee Dumas: Yeah, and I've actually noticed that about you admired it from the time that we were spending together as you are always very aware. If it was like an actual cocktail where there was other attendees, you were really dialed back when it came to drinks. And so that really helped me follow your lead. And then if we were just out at a dinner with like ten other close friends and speakers, then we might knock back a couple more scotches and have some fun. But we knew our environment. Let's talk about a couple of the right things that people do.

Chris Ducker: Well, I think a couple of things that people can do really well is, like I said, 1.) Understand that you can meet that person that's gonna change the course of your business for the next three to five years at any point. It could be in the elevator, it could be at the bar, it could be in the corridor, hell, and it can even be in the freakin’ restroom. You walk around with conference badges on, you are at liberty to stop anyone and talk to them at any time at an event. And so I think 1.) Is again, it goes back to what I was saying, doing it right but being open to talk with people that you never met before.

I've met some incredibly smart people ,some people that I do business with now either as a supplier or a customer, where I've never met them before except for literally like I said, they're in a corridor or standing in line at Starbucks, or the conference center or something; so really be open. The other thing that people can do is and this is actually more along the lines of seeing what kind of vibe the event is gonna take place even before you go, write the hashtag. I love to do this myself, I like to tap in the hashtag on Twitter or Facebook and see what people are saying about the event but before during and after the event as well.

So you can sort of see what the vibe is like, what type of people are going to be there, what are they going to be doing, where's the pre-party, where's the after-party, that type of thing. And so just writing that hashtag is a great way being able to cut out all the rubbish at an event and just look at what's hot, what people are talking about.

John Lee Dumas: Yeah, writing the hashtag and one event that does this really well as our mutual friend, Mike Stelzner, at Social Media Marketing World. They even put up so good on the actual big screens during the morning check-ins and stuff, they'll say, "Hey, these are the people that have been writing the hashtag, they've been commenting positively," they give out like prizes and gifts and they just give all the shout outs; it just gets people involved.

And that's a really cool idea. So that was a great point. So Chris, we just talked about what not to do at a conference. We've talked about some good things to do. Before we move on to the part that I'm a little excited about sharing with Fire Nation, anything else you want to share about something that you should be doing at an event?

Chris Ducker: I think people have taken the foot off the gas a little bit when it comes to professionalism, in general. And I'm not talking about the cards or anything like that. But when did people stop caring about how they looked when they go to events? Okay, fair comment, Mark Zuckerberg might wear the same style of jeans, and t-shirt, and hoodie, and trainers every single day.

John Lee Dumas: I still can't give him a pass on the flip flops. I'm sorry, I can't.

Chris Ducker: Yeah, it's all wrong in a number of different ways. That could be literally episode number 7000. I think that if you're going to an event, you should make an effort in the way that you look as well. Maybe it's my old slightly more conservative British mindset and that sort of type the thing. But I'm not saying that you've got to go, as we would say, "Suited and booted," in the UK. I'm not saying you got to walk around like dressed like you're going to a funeral or something. But at the end of the day, you never get a second chance to make a first impression. And we've talked a lot about meeting people for the first time, and chance situations, and things like that, going to dinners, or that sort of type of thing.

You'll never see me at dinner wearing a t-shirt. I've always got a collared shirt as you do yourself in the evening as well. During the daytime, if you're not at the conference, if you're maybe just having coffee meetings or something, sure, do your thing. But if you're going to be in a position where you're gonna be interacting with other people, I truly do believe that making an effort in the way that you look does make a big difference in the way that you affect people's mentality towards you when they first meet you. I don't know how you feel about it but that's the way I feel.

John Lee Dumas: I'm the same way. I actually look back at some of my really early talks and I was always dressed up to a level, but it wasn't really until Michael O'neal took me under his wing and said, "John, we're gonna go shopping." And we went and we spent thousands and thousands of dollars and got me some really nice outfits. And then I look at the replays of those talks and it just comes across. It's a different ball game and it totally is.

Chris Ducker: And not just that, but when you wear nice clothes, when you know you look the part, it actually helps you perform better, from a speaker's perspective. Like when I'm on paulin stage, and I'm wearing a nice jacket and, I'm looking good, and I feel good, it's hard not to have a slightly higher level of confidence, like I need any. But it's hard not to have a slightly higher level of confidence in that situation. And I think it does make a difference. And Michael is a snazzy dresser. He is a snappy guy.

John Lee Dumas: He subscribes to, "It's not a bad thing to often times be the best-dressed person in the room." And sometimes when he's in the same room as you, he loses that battle, but he's always striving. He's a striver, he's really..

Chris Ducker: It's because I've got a better haircut than him. That's what it is.

John Lee Dumas: Yes, oh my God, it's night and day. But Fire Nation, if you think we've been dropping value bombs thus far, you just wait until we get back from thanking our sponsors. So Chris, we are back and I'm fired up because it's hard to believe. I spent four months in India, a month in Nepal, I lived in Guatemala. I've literally trekked the world. Obviously, the Philippines and Hong Kong, which we've talked about. I've been to so many places, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, you name it, I've been to a lot of different places. I've never been to London and it's sad but it's just one of those things.

It's like that obvious place I was always gonna go to but it just never happened. But Fire Nation, that is all changing November 10th and 11th. I'm gonna be in London a few days before that and a few days after as well. But specifically, because Chris has asked myself, Pat Flynn, to keynote you for newer summits and I can't wait. Kate's gonna be there, a lot of amazing people are gonna be there. This event is literally on the precipice of selling out. It's actually officially sold out but yeah, then you opened up an additional few spots just because of the demands. But let's talk about Youpreneur Summit. Why are you holding it in London this year?

Chris Ducker: Well, London is my home and I'm known online as the proud Brit of the online business sphere, whatever you wanna call it. So the fact of the matter is I'm not the only Brit doing business online, I'm not the only Brit blogger, podcaster, whatever you wanna call it. But I think that I am probably one of only a handful of Brits who have spent the sheer amount of time in the United States at events on stage, traveling, keynoting, all that kind of stuff. So I've kind of got this proud Brit little whatever reputation you wanna call it. And to be honest with you, really there are a couple of main reasons why we're doing it in London.

1.) I'm actually moving back to the UK early 2018. Yeah, so I've been in the Philippines for 17 years. It's been a great ride over here. I have several very successful businesses here, which will stay exactly where they are, and I will continue to own them. But my family is growing. We have another one on the way. Myself, and Ers, and little Charlie is getting to the point now where he needs a little bit more than beautiful beaches and snorkeling to keep him active on the weekend and whatnot. And every time we go to London, I can see just how happy they are there. And so we've been talking about it for a while. It's been a couple of years back and forth, back and forth.
But this year, we were there for a wedding and we went just house hunting just for the fun of it. We weren't even expecting to see anything that we liked. We did three days, the last day we were there, we turned around a corner of this private driveway into this gorgeous property of almost an acre. And I just fell in love, John. I fell in love with this property at first sight. I didn't even walk into the house and I was like, "I'm buying the house. It's gonna happen." And we did, we bought it, and we'll be moving back there early next year. So that's the first thing, is that we're going back. So obviously, I want to start doing more in London.

I'm not gonna focus on the UK market per se, but I do wanna start doing more in the UK and within Europe, because I'm there. And I can't do it from over here, but when I'm there, I can. So that's the first reason. The second reason is because for as long as I can remember, man, running events for seven years all around the world, small masterminds, Tropical Think Tank, 100 people workshops here and there, I've always dreamt of holding a big event in my hometown in London. It's just something that's been eating away inside of me and I know I can put on one hell of an event.

We're gonna change the game on the UK business scene with this event. We've basically sold out, as you said. It really does need it. They're done with the pitch fests. They're done with the £95 tickets to just walk out of a hotel basement eight hours later feeling like you need to take a shower because you've just had one sales pitch after another. None of that at all at the event.

John Lee Dumas: And Fire Nation, when he says £95, he's not talking about weight, he's talking about the British currency. Because I was actually like, "That's a heavy ticket."

Chris Ducker: I'm thinking what is that, probably about $125, something along those lines. But the other thing is that when we said we're gonna do it in London, I knew that I had to find a venue that was all about me and all about what I am about. And the moment I walked into this venue, man, I just was like, "I don't care what it costs. This is where I'm holding the event," and we're holding the event at the incredibly illustrious Queen Elizabeth II Convention Center, literally, right around the corner from Big Ben. It is the most beautiful conference venue in the whole of the UK. It's a full-time conference venue.

All of the rigs, the staging, everything is up there. All the town houses of Parliament are just across the street, the River Thames runs right around it. It's just a beautiful location, so not only am I doing it in London, but I'm doing it in probably the most gorgeous conference center in the U.K. And unfortunately, Her Majesty will not be with us on the day. But I can promise that nonetheless, we're still gonna make it a bit of a royal affair anyway, one way or another.

John Lee Dumas: I love it. So Chris, let's end with us talking about why Fire Nation should snag one of the few remaining tickets left, or if they do get there, and it is sold out, is there just a virtual ticket option?

Chris Ducker: Clearly, to see their brother in arms. Clearly, they see their leader blow up the – ignite the stage is what it's all about. I want you to ignite all over the stage.

John Lee Dumas: I cannot wait. I have something special planned.

Chris Ducker: I'm sure you do, my man. So yeah, obviously come to see you and all the other speakers is clearly the number one reason why. But honestly, I practice what I preach. I get the best people to my events; I really do. I don't know why, but I'm so blessed to attract incredible people to my live events. I'm still trying to work it out; I've just accepted it now and just moved on from it. I'm just very lucky; plain and simple.

John Lee Dumas: Yeah, I'm looking at this list; Pat, myself, Matt Kimberly, John Jantsch from Duct Tape Marketing, you have Amy Schmittauer, who I've had on this show; she's amazing, Mark Asquith, my partner at Podcast Websites, Carrie Green, Janet Murray, Colin Gray, Joanna Penn, Russell James. These are top notch English entrepreneurs with a little mix in of some American entrepreneur there. That's a cocktail for success.

Chris Ducker: Yes, it's gonna be incredible. And I think that combined with the fact that again, the venue is gorgeous, the setting's lovely, autumn, as you guys would call fall in the UK, is beautiful at that time of year. It's just incredible. There's not gonna be a virtual ticket, however, all of the keynotes and all of the sessions actually, for the entire event, will be inside of the Youpreneur community as part of the Youpreneur community memberships. So if that's what people fancy, they can grab ahold of that over there. But it's a live event. You gotta be there live to truly appreciate it.

John Lee Dumas: You have to. So Fire Nation, Youpreneursummit.com. Join myself, Kate, Chris, Pats, Amy, all these amazing people in November in London. It's going to be epic. What I love about your events, Chris, is the access that the attendees had to the speakers. It's nothing I've ever seen before. I hang out with the attendees more than I even hang out with the other speakers because it's like this all-in-one love fest at these great conferences you're holding. You've proven the case of Travel Think Tank. You're gonna replicate it and blow up the London scene, which is needed and going to happen.

And again, Fire Nation, if you can't make it to London for any sad reason because it's either sold out or you just can't make it due to timing, check out Chris' unbelievable community, Youpreneur. All you just need to do is Google "Youpreneur." He just owns that word and you'll get right there. And become part of that community; it's just amazing. I remember when I ran Fire Nation Elite for 30 months, it's one of the best experiences that I had. Now Chris has taken that concept to even the next level with this community he has and it's so exciting. You need to be a part of these types of communities. Chris, take us home, brother. How do you want to close this interview down?

Chris Ducker: I just wanna say thank you for having me back on the show. I don't know how many times I've been on now. What is this, four? It's four or five, I don't know, whatever, I've lost count but it doesn't matter. I wanna say thank you for having me back on. It's always a pleasure to spend time with you, brother. I cannot wait to not only hang out with you in London this November, but actually, I'm really, really looking forward to seeing you speak as well, because it's been a few years since I've had the pleasure.

And all I know is that you've been a busy boy, you've been doing a lot of speaking, and I'm sure you're a gazillion time better than what you were a few years ago, which by the way, you're pretty freaking awesome back in those –

John Lee Dumas: Well, I did win Tropical Think Tank number one.

Chris Ducker: I love the way how you say, "I won it. I won an event." It wasn't, "I was top rated speaker. I won the event. I won the entire event. I'm the champion." That's it.

John Lee Dumas: Well, Chris, I pulled it up. You were episode 1202, you were episode 519, and then you were episode number 86. So this is number four, which is 1764. So we've been very consistent. It's been almost exactly every 500-ish days we've had you on since the beginning of You Fire. So we'll probably pick that up for next time and make it for the Youpreneur Summit 2018. We'll have you on, so that'll be a little quick of a turnaround for you then and we'll chat all about that. But Chris, as always, thank you, you are a brother from another brother and you are a mother from another brother. I think I said that right.

Chris Ducker: I think you mean I'm a brother from another mother.

John Lee Dumas: You are a brother from another mother. I definitely did not say that right the first 2 times.

Chris Ducker: You need more coffee, brother.

John Lee Dumas: I haven't had a cup yet today, so I'm gonna have to get my first one. So you are a brother from another mother and I love you like a brother. And thank you for sharing your journey with Fire Nation today. And Fire Nation, final call to action, youpreneursummit.com. Get to London; see you there. Worst case scenario, get your booties in the Youpreneur group the Chris has going on. And Chris, we'll catch you on the flipside.

Chris Ducker: Looking forward to it, man.